My liberal friends refuse to believe me...

HoffRage5617 · 2012-05-17T21:49:14.575059+00:00

Is this belief based on the historical record or ideology? As so many want to return to the Bush policies that ruined the economy in the first place (with help from Clinton), it makes one wonder.

zBriGuy · 2012-05-17T21:42:59.318434+00:00

Was Romney the governor of Massachusetts? One would hardly know that if one only read Romney's political campaign pieces. One wonders why Mitt did not talk about this during the debates with his fellow Republicans.

HoffRage5617 · 2012-05-17T21:35:38.080780+00:00

Research? No. But how about this:

Name one Republican platform that does not lead to the devaluation of labor and the transfer of wealth to the wealthy corporate investor class?

Aside from the social things like abortion, gay rights, and other things that the GOP uses to keep the troops excited and in line, all the Republican bills, policies, laws, proposals and so on have the same result: devalue labor, increase return on investment to the wealthy investor class. Is this right/wrong? That depends on what side one is on. If one is part of the wealthy investor class, the GOP is their ticket to continued prosperity. If one is a laborer (as are most of us), the GOP is not ones cup of tea.

HoffRage5617 · 2012-05-17T20:12:59.212090+00:00

It's called watching the walk and ignoring the talk. It does not take brilliance. It only requires critical observation.

MrGestore · 2012-05-17T20:11:51.718605+00:00

Well, sort of. French Toast is best made with stale bread because stale bread can absorb more of the stuff that makes it good!

HoffRage5617 · 2012-05-17T19:53:57.518664+00:00

so....tell us...why do conservatives opposed the government recognizing equal rights relative to the institution of marriage as it relates to governmental status ? politics?

davidreiss666 · 2012-05-17T18:35:02.400062+00:00

Well said and something I've been mentioning for years. If Mitt Romney "risks" 100 Million and loses it, he's still a multimillionaire with no risk of being homeless, without heath care, or without a secure future. If a common laborer risks ten years of his labor at a factory and it goes bust, that laborer has lost a great deal.

LordShaggy · 2012-05-17T18:00:05.050522+00:00

I guess my point is we need to hire congressmen who are beyond corruption

When you meet these angels, let me know. Until then, we need to work with the ones we have, and hold their little feet to the fire with the knowledge that they are not the kingpins of the corruption. The source of our corruption is the oligarchy that we have allowed to prosper since the 1970's.

greenmars · 2012-05-17T17:58:02.694854+00:00

Sure, that's how the Democrats were able to get the public option in......LOL

HoffRage5617 · 2012-05-17T17:46:29.199070+00:00

Republicans do not care about deficits or budgets. The only thing that today's Republicans care about is growing the wealth of corporations. Anything else is a smoke screen.

freshbrewedcoffee · 2012-05-17T17:45:04.287916+00:00

Jesus limited it to private charity? I must have missed that part. So one must beg, no one is entitled to compassion?

Costs less if we dismantle

Costs less in every nation that has it.

greenmars · 2012-05-17T17:43:34.240276+00:00

We all know that Republicans were locked out? Well, no. That's revisionist history.

LordShaggy · 2012-05-17T17:42:47.167719+00:00

His wealth is minute compared to the individuals who hired him. It's them that you need to focus on, not small fry like Hastert.

HoffRage5617 · 2012-05-17T15:53:09.193221+00:00

Did I say that? No, I do not think that I said "every single Republican"..... I did, however, say that the last Republican vice president said that about the most revered Republican president in modern times. Yeah, that's what I said. Care to comment on that?

HoffRage5617 · 2012-05-17T15:43:35.055159+00:00

So Cheney was out of line when he said that Reagan proved that deficits don't matter?

freshbrewedcoffee · 2012-05-17T15:41:32.862509+00:00

At an international papal conference on health care yesterday at the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI and other Catholic church leaders said it is the “moral responsibility of nations to guarantee access to health care for all of their citizens, regardless of social and economic status or their ability to pay.” Saying access to adequate medical care is one of the “inalienable rights” of man, the pope said, “Justice in health care should be a priority of governments and international institutions”:

SOURCE

I see no exceptions and no specifics to Medicare or Medicaid.

unless you're implying those who don't support socialized universal healthcare don't love their neighbors. I

If my neighbor is in need and I do not provide him with care, how can I say I love him?

There are many strong objections to universalized healthcare, not least of which its costs, especially here in the US.

And we know that UHC costs less, so why the resistance if cost is the concern?

ThatsOK · 2012-05-17T15:38:17.917665+00:00

If we could only get human imperfection out of capitalism, capitalism would be perfect. Yeah, socialists say the same thing about socialism.

MrGestore · 2012-05-17T14:53:39.001472+00:00

"French Toast" is supposed to be made with stale crusty bread. The French call this dish "lost bread"; a meal that rescues stale bread with an egg custard.

Using fresh banana bread or other nonsense is simply not "lost bread" or "French Toast". It might be good. You may like it very much, but it's not "French Toast".

ThatsOK · 2012-05-17T14:43:06.548975+00:00

In China, for instance, the State regularly evicts people from their house in order to build various projects.

In the USA, for instance, the State regularly evicts people from their house in order to build and maintain property rights of the wealthy corporations . An offshoot of the principle that individual property rights and the flourishing of "free market capitalism" trumps human rights.

ThatsOK · 2012-05-17T14:12:19.526831+00:00

Are inequalities fundamentaly bad? Is it not rather the role of friends, families, associations, etc ?

Inequalities are a part of life and in a just society, they are minimized in the name of humanity, fellowship, and the greater good. This is the role of friends, family, and citizenry.

We are a common people, joined together to form a more perfect union that promotes the general welfare.

We fought a war of independence from a nation/culture that worshiped the individual and property ownership over the welfare of the people. And yet, some in this nation want to return to that tyranny....it boggles the mind as to why.

freshbrewedcoffee · 2012-05-17T13:57:00.541838+00:00

Seems that the Pope is very clear in his support for state run Universal Health Care. Seems equally clear that Jesus Christ commanded his followers to love one another, without judgement.

ThatsOK · 2012-05-17T13:55:46.794778+00:00

math aside, how should a humanitarian people/nation deal with the reality of inequities of its citizens?

maxwellhill · 2012-05-17T13:47:05.759169+00:00

It is NOT the governments job.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The distribution of wealth is fair. Those who work harder, longer, perform better, and delay gratification get more wealth. That is how it works in the USA.

No, this is not the case.

I was attempting to show that most of our politicians are the "1%."

By math, yes, by their political intent? No.

You should put you're money where your mouf is and donate any amount of money above living expenses to charity.

Again, I fail to see why you are making me the subject of this debate.

We should raise taxes on ALL people in the US so we can ameliorate inequities in the developing countries.

That is not in our constitution.

LordShaggy · 2012-05-17T12:52:48.827706+00:00

That is a red herring. Look at where the real big money goes.

maxwellhill · 2012-05-17T12:52:07.554068+00:00

All people are not equal.

Correct. Life is unfair and a just society attempts to ameliorate these inequities as best they can in the interests of humanity.

In no way should or could an unskilled labor job EVER be paid more that 'minimum wage

So supply & Demand flies out the window in favor of class rank? Interesting concept.

You can never have an even distribution of wealth

No, but you can have an equitable one.

Leave you're tinfoil hat on because Barack Obama's net worth is $10.5 million.

Why are you changing the debate to a discussion of me and our president?

Give me one example of a policy, government style, idea that is right, just, and equitable for all.

Public education. Public health. Public transportation. Public safety.

There's four. You asked for one.

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